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okay

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can i call on someone in the meantime

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yes okay so black light power

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right black light power and it's uh

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president mills have developed this

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concept of a hydrino

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which is a hydrogen atom that spins down

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to a lower orbital and we're often

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connected

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with black light and the question is is

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our process the same as black lights

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the answer is not as far as we as as

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we're concerned

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uh you know there may end up being some

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fundamental physics that connects us

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but right now we're coming from two

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completely different places

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and we're not talking about hydrogen

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going to a lower

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orbital uh i'm going to

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please

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mechanics has raised against zero-point

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energy extraction

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is that uh be able to

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because uh the zero point fluctuations

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are characteristic of our particular

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vacuum state

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and if it's possible to disrupt energy

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from them that implies that we're living

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in a

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false vacuum that there is some lower

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energy

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true vacuum state that would be where

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the excess energy could come from

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so if we extract it we will trigger a

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collapsibly true vacuum which would

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uh so so if you're right uh we'll have

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sort of a i've turned it back on if

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you're right

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we'll have a quick instant in which we

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the time just why don't you just pass

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the okay

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uh so uh so

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is mine off i believe mine's off okay

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so uh as i said if we know if if you're

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right

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we'll know for a short instant um

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and more generally it's it's a question

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of

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what is vacuum energy and nobody really

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knows

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energy is uh the stochastic

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electrodynamic view

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is a more physical view than the

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uncertainty

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quantum mechanical view as you as you

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well know uh

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in the end we've got a lot to learn

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john

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to determine if the material that the

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plates are

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made of will affect the differential

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between the inside and outside so that

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perhaps

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certain materials of molecular structure

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or

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metal different metals might create a

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greater differential

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uh yes so the question is

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is the nature of the chasmir cavity

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plates uh

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how does it affect the casimir force and

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these uh properties that i'm talking

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about the answer is yes it depends quite

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a lot on the casino cavity plates

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there's been a fair bit of work on it

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and in fact recently one hoop has shown

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that you can get a repulsive force as

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well as an attractive force

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by changing the conditions of the casino

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cavity

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there's this is really a new field

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there's a lot that needs to go on my

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student who's working on this

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is going off to a conference

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specifically on the issue that you're

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talking about

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looking at the casino cavity plates and

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finding out what how their

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characteristics affect

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uh what's inside uh and we don't know

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yet

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um yeah with being an engineer

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and we're the first graduate students at

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your hands so to speak

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how are you coming on the design of the

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first test uh so we

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had a um darpa contract a fairly large

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contract

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to look at this and we spent a year

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building casimir cavities and testing

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them and so on

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in the end of it we had a few glimmers

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of

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hope that maybe this is working but uh

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in retrospect i think that the approach

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we took to making casimir cavities which

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there isn't time for me to go into right

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now

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was not reliable and we weren't getting

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good spacing we did see these energy

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bursts that people have talked about

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but there are multiple ways to interpret

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it is it is it a

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zero point energy force or is it perhaps

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some sort of sparking or something else

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that's being induced

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so we now have a completely different

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method for making casimir cavities we've

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got this stainless steel chamber

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very well controlled for doing the

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testing and we'll find out over the next

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year

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it's not an easy experiment to do